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17 Aug 2020 06:42 #40751 by sanjoy
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sir,I don't have a set of Wagner backing plates handy,but i have Bendix a part number on the back of them with a letter at the end of the number . The letter is either a R or L . Let me know what you have and what you will found out, i am excited. omegle webcam

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08 Aug 2020 20:36 #40677 by Tim Gilmartin
Rear windows on the Cord do not have a rubber seal. They are glued in. If you want authentic, don’t use the aftermarket rubber seals.
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07 Aug 2020 10:18 #40670 by oliverthom707
Its really hard to say with any certainty but I suspect its the original thin one. Only one way to know for sure I guess. I just ordered the trans manual from the ACD museum so when it gets here I may be able to tell you what to look for. At this time I have really no idea where anything is in the trans. Bout all I know for sure is 1st and reverse gears and what each shift rod does. But what gear is what.... Nope...

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02 Aug 2020 18:05 #40636 by wynlaidig
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You can get them from Steele but that is not how they were originally installed. I have a brand new pair from Steele that i can sell you for 50% off if you want. I bought them before I realized that it is not original.

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01 Aug 2020 18:52 #40631 by uconn_1965
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As a follow up, I just searched Steele rubber parts and they sell the molded Cord rear window seals.

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01 Aug 2020 16:40 #40630 by uconn_1965
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I seem to recall that years ago Metro Rubber sold the molded rubber seal for the rear windows on a sedan. Worked great and sealed the window.

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01 Aug 2020 16:35 #40629 by 1748 S
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The Cord rear glass is held in place with something like RTV and it glues to the inside of the body shell.The Hollywood cars is cut smaller and held in place to the body be a rubber two sided seal like many other cars up till when they moved to glue in windshields. I don't recall what the name of the glue is right now. Its an art form getting the glass in the rubber seals and not many today know how. Very special tools are used to cut out the glued in glass these days too.


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01 Aug 2020 15:32 #40628 by wcoye
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Off to the glass shop today. It took a bit of calling around to find someone with flat laminated glass. Bought a rear window template from Cord Parts which seemed small, almost exactly the same size as my old glass which was held in with a gasket Hollywood/Skylark style. Ended up making my own template which I feel more confident about.

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31 Jul 2020 17:40 #40623 by mikespeed35
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I totally agree with Jim. That happened with me on my Marmon. They broke the first one installing and did another on there dime.
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23 Jul 2020 14:00 - 23 Jul 2020 14:01 #40593 by johnmereness
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As to your tint question - Yes, clear, but if you have a choice in tints one that is very subtle may be enjoyable for driving - an EZ Eye glass or ... from the 50's is probably too much tint.

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22 Jul 2020 23:32 #40586 by JIM.OBRIEN
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Bill,
For the windshield make a pattern using your frames. The frames are not all the same size. So one size does not fit all. The easiest thing to do is to take the frames to the glass shop and have them cut the glass (based on the frame) and install it. That way if they break the glass installing it, it's their problem. Also if it leaks you can take it back to them.

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22 Jul 2020 01:48 #40571 by wcoye
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Hi Jim!
That's the plan. Old rear window glass is under sized, was probably cut from a Hollywood pattern and windshield glass is long gon, so patterns have been ordered from Stan.

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22 Jul 2020 00:19 #40569 by JIM.OBRIEN
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Bill,
Bring your old glass or a pattern to any auto glass place and they can cut you a new piece. It is just a piece of clear flat glass.
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21 Jul 2020 15:18 #40567 by wcoye
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Tom, did you end up buying your glass from Classic Auto Glass on eBay?
If you haven't bought your glass yet don't use these guys. I bought driver's window glass about the time of your post with relatively good response. I ordered windshield and rear window glass from them in late May and after many follow-up emails and phone calls (actually spoke to someone both calls) I have nothing nor is there any sign that there is any life in my order. Have cancelled and am looking for someone else.

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25 Oct 2018 01:24 #35821 by wcoye
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Tom I purchased replacement glass for my driverside door from these Ebay folks. No problems at all. Now installing it was another story, or let's say a learning experience.

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20 Oct 2018 14:55 #35758 by Tom_Parkinson
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1. I am considering buying a full set of window glass for my 36-renumbered-to-37 Westchester from Classic Auto Glass on Ebay. Reviews are good, but, you know, it's EBay. Does anyone have experience with this vendor, good or bad?
2. From pictures I have seen, the glass should be clear, not tinted. Correct ???
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With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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24 Jun 2018 17:20 #34830 by Tom_Parkinson
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Since the steering column is out of the car, I am taking advantage of moderate weather to re-wire the selector switch. Somewhere I have a new plastic disk to install inthe process.

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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20 Oct 2017 20:32 #33713 by Terry Cockerell
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Hi Tom. I emailed you quite a while ago regarding possible cracks in your suspension arms. Mine had cracks in the seal weld at the yoke ends of the arms. I ground the cracks out and had the welds done professionally.
In your collection of pictures I noticed the wooden beams that run inside the roof were missing above the driver and front seat passenger. Have you been able to replace these sections ? They are needed for the strength of the roof plus the headlining is fixed to it. Where are you up to with your headlining ? I have a full size drawing of the wire bows that are stitched into the fabric.
Attached are some pictures showing the completed wooden framing.

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20 Oct 2017 03:46 #33712 by Jonathan Richards
Tom , I have just stumbled upon your biography of the Cored you inherited from your dad in 1981. What a beautifully written story about the car and the people associated with her. You are a real trooper. Your dad would be pleased with and proud of your restoration efforts. {Note - to access Tom's story click on the link for "See PIX of 1509A in above post

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19 Oct 2017 22:09 #33711 by Tom_Parkinson
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Finally got the Bendpak lift erected. The Old Lady looks good on it.

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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30 Jul 2016 22:06 #31434 by 1748 S
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Ton my brakes are Bendix.
My headliner was removed but I still have it in my garage rafters. Have not seen it in probably 40 years when I put it up there. I do know of those wire bows sewn into the liner too. I think but not sure mine has the leather piping colored to match the exterior car color. Being a bustle trunk beverly I have the gray outside and the blue wool tuck n roll interior. My car is nearly the same car as Randy Ema has. He like black walls and I like white wall tires. Bout the only difference in cars appearances too.

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30 Jul 2016 21:35 #31433 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

(Gary: 1728 S--you may want to make note of this oddity for your restoration.)

I just spent a VERY informative hour or so learning about headliners from the 1973 Newsletters. The disk of past issues is priceless. While surfing the upholstery articles I found a great article on adjusting the Wagner-Lockheed brakes.

Anyway, I drew some conclusions about the headliner. Conclusion # 1: an old fat man will not be doing this squat and bend work inside the car. Conclusion #2: the 810/812 headliner metal bows are uniquely installed inside the piping that separates the cloth panels. Every other headliner in the history of the world has its metal rods strung through a pocket formed on the roof-side of the headliner above the piping. That means that a mass fabricator likely will not be able to make this headliner for me unless I send him the rods, carefully numbered. I'm a little (actually, a lot) loathe to do that.

I also found that the windlace for 1509A is the wire-on style, which actually looks fairly easy to work with. (Oh, I'll regret saying that!)

Well, I have a vintage sewing machine. I have the metal bows. I can order wool broadcloth fabric and wire-in windlace in matching colors. I know how to measure.

I just need a pattern. Anyone know a source?

And likely a LOT of beer.

And the process goes on...

--Tom

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25 Jul 2016 21:25 #31416 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

I received a quote from SMSautofabrics.com with a quote for a headliner to match original.

Has anyone dealt with these folks, and if, so, any recommendations?

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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25 Jul 2016 18:44 #31415 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

I am looking for a headliner maker or a headliner pattern for 1509A, a 1936 Cord Westchester 4-door sedan renumbered as a 37. Any leads will be appreciated.

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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09 Jan 2016 23:49 #30792 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

Cord 1509 A is winter-stored at the warehouse. These photos were on the ACD cars page of facebook--they have many details useful for re-assembly. Here's the link to my piece of the cloud:

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12 Dec 2015 16:53 #30710 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

Well, the calendar says that winter is here, and I hate scraping snow and ice at 5:30 in the morning. So the Cord is going once again to the warehouse for four months or so to make room in my home garage for my daily driver. There's plenty to do here over the winter, however, without the car actually being here.

It will come back home in March or April.

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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07 Oct 2015 12:12 #30393 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi 810cord,

Hi Tom, just checked my '36, the anchor pin (pivot pin) is positioned approx 10 minutes forward at the bottom, ie, the wheel cylinder sits approx 10 minutes towards the rear of the car. Hope this helps.


This is EXACTLY the confirmation I was looking for! I will reassemble these brakes with no further qualms.

Thank you so very much!!!

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07 Oct 2015 03:16 #30390 by 810cord
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Hi Tom, just checked my '36, the anchor pin (pivot pin) is positioned approx 10 minutes forward at the bottom, ie, the wheel cylinder sits approx 10 minutes towards the rear of the car. Hope this helps.

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06 Oct 2015 12:13 #30386 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi Gary,

Thank you for the link. I saw these on Ebay. They sure look like mine. However, the pix don't tell how they end up oriented when mounted.

I have concluded that there is only one way that these things will go on with the cylinders facing the correct way: to the front. I'll leave them be and hope that the weight of all of the accoutrements will level them out.

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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05 Oct 2015 23:49 #30380 by 1748 S
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02 Oct 2015 03:27 #30361 by 1748 S
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So is there a chance the actual knuckles are on the wrong side and the backing plates are also on the wrong side. I have never seen this before and know nothing about the correct placement of this. Just guessing and that I'm good at.. Gary

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02 Oct 2015 01:11 #30360 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi Gary and Tom,

The plates do bolt to the knuckles, but the mounting is a rectangular pattern at an angle to vertical. I switched them L for R, and while that improved the angle, it also sent the wheel cylinders facing the wrong way: the large end of the step cylinders toward the rear and the hose inlets to the front. I believe that on the Wagner-Lockheed system the longer shoe and the large end of the wheel cylinder are at the front. (On the Bendix system, the small shoe does to the front.)

Here is a pic of a pair of Wagner backing plates that were for sale on Ebay a while back.

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I have not found and stamping or marking indicating "Left" or "Right" on the plates.

Can someone with a '36 take a look on their car and tell me if their wheel cylinders are somehow located at 12:00 and the anchor pin at 6:00?

Thank you,

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With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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01 Oct 2015 22:35 #30359 by Tom Georgeson
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I don't have a set of Wagner backing plates handy but Bendix have a part number on the back of them and with a letter at the end of the number. The letter is either a L(left) or R(right). Let me know what you find out as I'm curious.

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01 Oct 2015 21:10 #30358 by 1748 S
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Tom does the backing plates bolt to the knuckles like any other backing plate? If so maybe you can "clock them" to another bolt hole location. Maybe you have the right side installed on the left side. My brakes are the 1937 Bendix but they still bolt on to the knuckles.

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01 Oct 2015 02:23 #30353 by jetjock
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Hi Tom. Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try in the next day or so. No, my Cord is a 37 812 Custom Beverly with Bendix brakes. Best, Rick.

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01 Oct 2015 01:56 #30352 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

I posted the pix to photobucket.com. It's free. That site will generate and copy to your clipboard a URL for you when you click on your uploaded pic. Paste that URL into your message on the ACD forum. The pix will appear on your ACD page as long as you keep them on Photobucket.

This is the "Old Way" of posting pix on the ACD site. Apparently it's still the ONLY way that works.

BTW--do you have a 36/Wagner brakes Cord? Where on the face of a clock is your anchor pin located?

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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01 Oct 2015 01:19 #30351 by jetjock
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Tom, Tell me baby style how you are able to post pics. Thanks!

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01 Oct 2015 00:41 #30350 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

Members: No input on the odd angle of these 1936 Wagner-Lockheed brakes? If I have something wrong here, I'd like to correct it before I assemble the whole front end.

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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26 Sep 2015 04:12 #30314 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

I tried to post this and it just disappeared, so I am re-writing as best as I recall. Now I know to save my text before posting or previewing...

It has been heavy on my mind that the Lockheed front brake backing plates on 1509A just, well, don't look right. They are rotated VERY far off the desired position of the brake shoe anchor pin being at 6:00 and the wheel cylinder at 12:00.

"So, dummy," I thought. "You put the backing plates on the wrong sides--left for right and vice-versa. So I switched them. That does make them appear little less out of whack, but it also puts the large end of the wheel cylinder facing to the rear, instead of the front. My understanding of the Lockheed system is that the front shoe is the longer shoe and the big end of the wheel cylinder is supposed to face forward--the reverse of the Bendix system. Also, the change makes the brake line inlet face forward, not backward.

This arrangement doesn't make sense to me. So I switched them back.

The engine is not in 1509A right now, and I expect that 800 pounds of iron plus fenders, hood, and fluids will rotate the trailing arms considerably, but it will take a LOT of rotating to get the anchor pin and wheel cylinder around to 6:00 and 12:00. It just "looks wrong" to me, as well as to others to whom I have pointed it out.

Am I missing something obvious here? Are the trailing arms correct? Or is it all OK and will level out when the engine goes back in the car?

Here are a couple of pix, two from the last time the engine was installed.

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Members, is my Geometry messed up? Any input on this?

--Tom

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30 Jul 2015 20:32 #29978 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

Well, there's some good news on the re-assembly front. We have a brand-spanking-new four post lift coming to the shop in the next two weeks. This will make all of the under-car work possible and will jump-start all the re-assembly work.

We looked around a lot concerning the lift and decided to buy it through Advance. The Advance tech guy was unwilling to sell it to us until he was able to inspect our facility and verify that we had sufficient room for it and a solid enough floor. I was impressed with that. He also inquired as to what vehicles we would be lifting with it and advised that we get the standard sized life--not extra wide or extra long: apparently those features are desirable for larger service vehicles than the pickup trucks that we run.

I was impressed that he sold DOWN to our needs rather than UP to maximizing his profit on the sale.

I wish I had a lift 40 years ago, but I'll be happy to have it now!

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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09 Apr 2015 01:32 #29408 by mikespeed35
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In my experience there is no such thing as "No Problems"
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08 Apr 2015 18:41 #29407 by
Tom,

It's a big job. The entire top shaft of the transmission has to come out. The Sync hub gas to be machined back and the main shaft sleeve has to be machined to make room for the thicker thrust washer.

If the transmission is sitting on the floor figure about 10 plus hours. Hopefully you have a lathe available to do the machine work. IF the trans is in the car I figure 10 to 15 hours to pull the trans and 15 to 20 hours to put it back in, providing there are no problems.

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06 Apr 2015 23:08 #29395 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

I'm going to check in my 80's ACD Club Transmission Manual to see how big a job it is to replace that thrust washer.

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With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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04 Apr 2015 15:39 #29385 by
Tom you might ask Stan if he knows what that part number fits. Others may chime in but if Jim does not know maybe others wont either. Might also ask Henry Portz. Last I herd he was rebuilding 6 transmissions at once.

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04 Apr 2015 15:28 #29384 by
Tom,
The 3rd gear thrust washer is B60773 and is steel. I don't see a listing in the parts book for E11045 so I'm not sure what part that is.

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04 Apr 2015 02:15 #29380 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi Gary,

I also suspect it is the thin one. However, with the light use 1509A is going to see--likely none in my lifetime and very little in my heirs--I am not sure it's worth the effort to replace it.

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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04 Apr 2015 02:04 #29379 by
Its really hard to say with any certainty but I suspect its the original thin one. Only one way to know for sure I guess. I just ordered the trans manual from the ACD museum so when it gets here I may be able to tell you what to look for. At this time I have really no idea where anything is in the trans. Bout all I know for sure is 1st and reverse gears and what each shift rod does. But what gear is what.... Nope...

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03 Apr 2015 22:04 #29378 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

I have been digging through paper work from the early 1950's concerning my dear old 1509A.

Apparently my father or brother ordered a part number "E11045 bronze thrust bearing" for the transmission rebuild from Auburn Cord Parts Co.

Does anyone know if that would be the original too-thin thrust bearing?

Whatever it is, it's been in the transmission since about 1955 and hasn't worn out yet. Of course, the transmission hasn't turned yet...

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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31 Aug 2014 01:02 #28072 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

What a BEAUTIFUL break in the day's weather for the parade! 1509A and I were there, she being behind a Chevy pickup truck, me driving said truck. Many members looked over my fits-like-a-glove dual master cylinder set up for the brakes which will require no alteration in linkages and pedals, et al. It's an easy conversion if you are re-plumbing your brake system anyway.

Admittedly, it's easier when the car is disassembled (like mine) and you can work from above.

But what a beautiful break in the weather! I hope everyone enjoyed the day as much as I did!

--Tom

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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