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25 Jul 2018 07:11 - 25 Jul 2018 07:14 #35055 by RubyDS
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Yes Johnathan,it's two 810 weschester,i have make a lot of little work on the green one,this car is tested in a french magazine "Retroviseur" this month and i have rebuilt the gearbox of the marroon one,car sold new in France in 1936 with speedometer in kilometer.
For the Soccer it's not my thing............ ;)
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24 Jul 2018 21:47 #35054 by Jonathan Richards
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Greetings , Youenn Perrin , aka RubyDS., You are just having too much fun in your delightfully aged garage/shop in France. A visit to your shop by a Ganges Green Westchester followed by a similar visit by a Rich Maroon Model 810 which appears to be a Westchester as well. Your Custom Beverly is shown lurking in the background as she comes closer and closer to reaching your restoration goals. Keep up the excellent work and the flow of periodic messages to our ACD Club Forum. Oh, yes , congratulations on your Soccer Cup victory if that is your thing. Best Regards, Jonathan Richards #1080 at Chesterfield, Missouri , USA.
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24 Jul 2018 21:24 #35053 by RubyDS
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After a green 810 a few month ago in my workshop this week a maroon 810 B)


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29 Jun 2018 14:21 #34853 by RubyDS
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29 Jun 2018 14:20 #34852 by RubyDS
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Ready to instal on front axle

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28 Jun 2018 08:15 #34849 by RubyDS
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Thanks

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27 Jun 2018 18:25 #34846 by 1748 S
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My bearing is a National 7109. These bearings are common in several other cars too.

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27 Jun 2018 16:05 #34845 by RubyDS
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I'm ready to assembly engine and gearbox and i looking for the reference (number)of the bearing at center of the flywheel.

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23 Jun 2018 06:53 #34820 by Terry Cockerell
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Rudy, continuing with the alternative method proposed by Henry Portz you will need spacers between the outer cups.
Mine worked out with the following dimensions. Outside diameter 2.5" Inside diameter 2.125" Width 0.5"

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23 Jun 2018 03:57 #34818 by mikespeed35
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I toured with the Past president of Timken a few years ago and he told me there are alternatives to some of the rear extremely expensive bearings and races as you can see here. A little research is required and a cooperative bearing counter man.
CORDiallyMike

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22 Jun 2018 12:43 #34814 by Thomas Wilcock
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I should have said that Timken # 13890 is the bearing cone.
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22 Jun 2018 12:32 #34813 by RubyDS
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Perfect Terry,

I have cone 13889 and have ordered 4 cup 13830 availlable next week,many thanks

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22 Jun 2018 12:30 #34812 by Thomas Wilcock
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I used the Timken 13835D double row race and Timken 13890 cup. Unlike the original double row race I removed, the new Timken 13835D had holes around the center for lubrication. I drilled the bottom retainer bolt for the bearing housing and installed a grease fitting so that the bearings can be greased occasionally.
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22 Jun 2018 08:26 #34810 by Terry Cockerell
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Rudy the bearing numbers I have listed are.
M28241 / 1R2424 ......... is the needle bearing assembly
138890 .............................. is the taper roller cup
13830 ................................. is the taper roller bearing cone
The outside diameter of the bearing is 2 1/2" which fits inside the outer bearing block.
I can't remember the shaft size of the suspension arm
Any bearing company should be able to readily supply these parts.

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22 Jun 2018 06:20 #34809 by RubyDS
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Interesting but have you the timken number used for that?

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21 Jun 2018 23:32 - 22 Jun 2018 00:38 #34805 by Terry Cockerell
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Henry Portz suggested using two separate taper roller bearings with a spacer between the outer cups then tightening the big nut on the pivot shaft to 8 ft lbs with the nut free running on the thread. This is a much cheaper option as the bearings are readily available. Grease nipples can be set up to feed the inner needle bearings with a tube passing through the centre of the pivot shaft. Grease nipples can also be added to the taper roller bearing housing. I followed Henry's guidelines which are laid out in an old newsletter. I will look for the details and post them in this Forum.

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21 Jun 2018 19:34 #34804 by uconn_1965
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Double row race Timken 13835D
bearing Timken 13890

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21 Jun 2018 19:15 #34803 by John Meredith
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This is an interesting discussion. So, when asking about the races and the bearings, what do I ask for when talking with Baystate Bearing and the North Carolina supplier? Are there specific Timkin numbers? ... John M.

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21 Jun 2018 17:50 - 21 Jun 2018 17:51 #34801 by RubyDS
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Yes I found at my bearings supplier in France,but 300€ each +/- 280$ availlable in Timken USA,it's very expensive for just a timken cup, i have the new roller bearing.
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21 Jun 2018 17:14 #34800 by uconn_1965
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I recently bought a pair of these double row bearing races from a local bearing supplier BUT I almost feel over with
the price. They were $280. each. I also bought the 4 bearing that fit these races from a different supplier (old car bearing co.) in
North Carolina. I think they were $35.00 each. I purchased the double row races from Baystate Bearing co., 138 Reed Ave.,
West Hartford, Ct. 06110 phone number (860) 953-0055. Hope this helps....Cliff

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21 Jun 2018 16:20 #34799 by 1748 S
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Sad news is these bearings are no longer made. There is a very slight hope someone has a set of NOS bearings but it was discussed on this forum a few years ago. Nobody had any at that time. checking ebay is about the best way to find something but you just have to "bee there" when they might get listed. A restorer in Europe machined a set of bushings in place of the bearings. If that's what you end up doing it probably would be a great item to install grease fittings. Remember these inner and outer bearings are moving up and down all the time with every small bump in the road.

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21 Jun 2018 16:06 - 21 Jun 2018 16:14 #34797 by RubyDS
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For my front axle i'm looking for two double cone cup 1335-13835 ,new,Nos or used in correct condition.

Who have that in stock?

Thanks

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18 Jun 2018 22:56 #34773 by 1748 S
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I had no idea this book was this size. It reminds me of the Josh Malks CORD COMPLETE book. Thank you for sharing too.

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18 Jun 2018 20:44 - 18 Jun 2018 20:45 #34772 by RubyDS
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Just receipt a parcel this day ,the incredible gift from Mike,many many many thanks,it's amazing,i'm very happy.

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10 Jun 2018 11:02 #34755 by RubyDS
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PM sent Jim.

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10 Jun 2018 01:53 #34754 by JIM.OBRIEN
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RubyDS, This is the wrong master cylinder for the Cord. However it will work. Outside of Auburn not many people will know. If you want a correct on PM me, I think I have a couple of spares.

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10 Jun 2018 00:37 #34752 by 1748 S
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Here are the pictures of my master cylinder. Turns out it was a Wagner Lockheed but my brakes are Bendix.

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09 Jun 2018 21:58 #34751 by Curt Schulze
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The Lockheed and Bendix master cylinders are almost identical . They will interchange. I believe the company used both on 34-36 Auburn. Which ever they could buy the cheapest.

The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Be of Good Cheer
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09 Jun 2018 21:43 #34750 by RubyDS
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Yes Curt,25,4 mm equates to 1 inch

1748S i think have lokheed brakes, i will check

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09 Jun 2018 18:31 #34749 by Curt Schulze
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I attempted to attach a scan of the 34 parts book as a PDF but I don't think it worked.

The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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09 Jun 2018 17:42 #34748 by 1748 S
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That master cylinder looks like the wrong part for your car. My car has a Bendix brake system on it. My car is a 1937 and serial number is 1748S. The 36 and 37 Cords had either Bendix or Wagner Lockheed brakes. Can you tell this forum what brakes your car has? If you don't know the difference. The Bendix brake shoes adjust from the bottom by the star wheel. the Lockheed adjust by the bottom but from the back of the backing plate. ebay has a good picture of the Lockheed brake backing plates for and example. I can post pictures later on what my master cylinder and brakes look like.

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09 Jun 2018 12:19 #34745 by Curt Schulze
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That looks like the same master cylinder Auburn used 1934 - 1936 25.41 equates to about 1 inch doesn't it?

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09 Jun 2018 08:46 #34744 by RubyDS
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Picture of the master cylinder

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09 Jun 2018 01:39 #34741 by JIM.OBRIEN
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If I remember correctly the original size was 1 1/8" Do you have a picture of your master cylinder?

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07 Jun 2018 19:01 #34738 by RubyDS
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I have buy a master cylinder repair kit diameter 1"1/8 and my master cylinder is in 1" diameter,what is the correct size?

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05 Jun 2018 07:12 #34722 by RubyDS
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After five days of absence I am very happy to discover your message Mike, it's too much to want to give it to me as a gift,i send you a private message.

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04 Jun 2018 17:29 #34720 by mikespeed35
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I got the book ELCord today Ruby. Please email as to where to send it and the best shipping method for you. This is a gift for you, no charge.
CORDiallyMike

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31 May 2018 04:51 #34699 by mikespeed35
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Hi Ruby, I just bought two on eBay and one is yours. Let me know where to send it and how. They are suppose to be hear June 7. I will send it out then. Even though I am not a 810-12 guy I have enjoyed your posts and understand the hardships of restoring a Cord out of the U.S. There is benefits of being a ACD Club member!
CORDiallyMike

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30 May 2018 11:42 #34694 by RubyDS
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Thank you very much Cliff for this proposal, if the club does not answer in a few days I send you an e-mail.
But since a week I think that the 50 copies of the book are already sold
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29 May 2018 20:59 #34693 by uconn_1965
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Hi RubyDS. I saw your response to the club. If no one is able to help you, I will buy the book for you and send it to you. I would need your name and complete mailing address. You could pay me after receiving the book. I'm a club member from Ct. My contact info is Cliff Demers, 170 Brace Road, West Hartford Ct. 06107 email is [email protected] Let me know if I can be of help......Cliff

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29 May 2018 16:42 #34692 by Jonathan Richards
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This post by member Youen Perrin of France. ID # 3099 needs a reply from the appropriate club officer. Thank you, Jonathan (Jack) Richards #1080 at Chesterfield, Missouri , USA.

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29 May 2018 14:43 #34691 by RubyDS
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what a pity to have no response from the club leaders :(

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25 May 2018 12:05 #34679 by RubyDS
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It's not the problem,i can pay the paypal fees.
To pay the club subscription paypal is not a problem for off shore members!!

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25 May 2018 11:36 #34678 by Curt Schulze
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PayPal charges large fees to the seller, particularly for off shore buyers.

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25 May 2018 10:39 - 25 May 2018 20:55 #34677 by RubyDS
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A little brake on this topic.

Two day ago i reiceipt the the last ACD club news e-mail and very good news the club offer possibility to buy the book"Erret Lobban Cord his empire his motor cars" at preferential price for the ACD members, so i send immediatly an e mail for the shipping price to France and pay by paypal.
But yesterday i have a response:it's not possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! only checks ,the club have paypal account but not possible for that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So why be ACD member and pay $80 for the year ,i'm very disapointed :( :( :(
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19 Apr 2018 20:41 #34481 by Terry Cockerell
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I found a better picture of the interior of my Cord before dismantling it. You can see the original colour on the window garnish mouldings.

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16 Apr 2018 15:02 #34474 by Jonathan Richards
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Gentlemen: I have been following this paint colour discussion for some days and offer the following. I tend to agree with Terry Cockerell (Australia) that the present colour blue on his Westchester dashboard and Garnish mouldings is a bit too dark. It looks like someone painted the edash cadet gray but with the dash instruments still in place, note it is blue under that location. I don't know where Terry got the great photo of a Cadet Grey car thru RF door but that colour looks proper. The Engineering Changes notes clearly state that the dashboard and Garnish Mouldings are to be #7136 Blue , the same colour as the exterior ona a Geneva Blue car. For comparison I am attempting to attach a current advertisement of my previously owned Geneva Blue S#32410S. Hope this assists you in this international effort to determine the proper paint hues in France and Australia. Here's the link : www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/cord/812sc/2053283.html

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16 Apr 2018 10:11 #34472 by RubyDS
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Thanks for the pictures

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16 Apr 2018 09:43 #34471 by Terry Cockerell
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I finally found a picture of the original dash colour but unfortunately it is blurred.

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