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810 1794A atrrived at new home
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As to the reference of Brown Cloth backed leatherette - somewhere people get the idea that Auburn and Cord Interiors are all leather - they are not all leather, but are a combination of leather and vinyl. When I had the interior done in dad's Auburn 851 Phaeton the leather in the car was on the seats, armrests, and rear door pockets - all the rest of the interior was color keyed vinyl. And when I see an original/unrestored Cord 810/812 Open Car it is also vinyl trim on doors and trim with I believe leather on seating surface (but have not seen that many as a pretty rare beast as they say).
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In response to the special orders for the paint and interiors, my 1937 (renumbered 36) Phaeton did not come from the factory with leather upholstery. It has a brown cloth backed leatherette. I thought the original color of my car was gray, but on closer inspection the gray could be primer. There is dark blue paint over the gray, even on the dash. I am not sure whether it is the Geneva Blue ( which is not standard on the phaetons). I believe my car originated in the Philadelphia area. The interior and the paint color are probably special order.
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Jack Richards has been in contact with Adrian Grieve as mentioned in his email.
Yes it looks like the Myth is Busted.
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I did some checking today on the "Gorbatschow mark" on the hood you can see on my avatar pic. The "paint-check-gauge" (don´t know the correct english word for this tool) shows realistic dimensions for three layers of paint: first tan, second maroon, third tan again. Same result with sanding on the fender, wich just shows a dark grey filler between paint two and three.
myth busted?
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This historic document was found in Auburn by Rick Hulett in the mid 1970s
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I have attached a copy. It states, Adrian Grieve copied the envelope when visiting Glenn some years ago and found that Claret Maroon was a colour used by Ford through much of the 1930s and into the 40s.
The article also states Glenn Pray had some of the dealers original documents including the key envelope.
Perhaps Felix DeGeyter can shed some light on what happened to the documents?
I would like to know what turns up on this issue.
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This is a wonderful find for you and me. I saw an article in an old ACD Club newsletter on your car with the reference to the car being painted a non standard colour. The car was at the time with Glen Pray in Oklahoma. I contacted Doug and Felix but was not able to get any further information on the car. I believe the colour was a standard Ford colour from the article. I will have to dig through the old newsletters again to find it. Do you still have the key envelope???????????
Have you done any checking of the original body colour ??????????/
This is a wonderful re-discovery.
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"This key envelope indicates that this Westchester sedan was painted a non standard color" Adrian Grieve....
and the picture shows Chassis 810 1704!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stamped on the envelope. The colors name is hardly readable for me "claret mauven (or maroon) fagurrn"???? can anybody deciffer it better with the knowledge of amarican english color names that are period correct on other makes? and who is Adrian Grieve and why does he have my key envelope???
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The interior photo image with rear corner interior lights aglow is spectacular. This shows the remarkable originality of your fine Westchester. Regarding the front parking lamp question the original headlamp configuration was a bulb illumination with a reflector , NOT A SEALED BEAM. There was also a lower CP bulb which served as the parking lamp. As I recall your car had been converted to sealed beam headlamps. Happy you have gotten the engine running. Your are really enjoying your custodianship of S#1704A. Best Regards.
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under the plate is no paint...
but just to share some wonderfull moments, the engine is now running with the carb cleaned and the choke simply connected to the ignition.
almost everything works, even the interior lights did awake with some patience on the switch.
is it correct that there are no parking lights on the front?
delighted
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These engines had three really different types of generator mounting brackets. When a supercharger was installed the generator had to be moved towards the passenger side and slightly upwards. Do any google search for supercharged cord engines.I think you may have the bracket that fits a supercharged car engine. If you can post a picture from the passenger side looking towards the generator I can tell you what you have.
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Central Manufacturing number C90 600.
Engine number FB870.
I suggest that you correct the information with the German authorities, or it will always be a mess.
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with the exeption of the batterie support there is only some unimportant surface rust, the body is unbelivable solid and shows no signes of ever been repaired. I have seen cars that are 70 years younger and much more rusty!
Now I have to think about what to do, preserve it in the condition with cracking paint and dented roof just to show that it is a true survivor, or do a soft restoration with painting the most damaged areas, or at last doing a pefekt shiny repaint in perhaps the original rich maroon or another nice color.
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And yes, it was sold by worldwide auctioneers included in the Bobby Monical collection. Perhaps he was the man that did some technical overhauling to the car. It was described there and at motoexotica (Rodger Harman) as a beverly which it obviously isn´t. My transportation agency named it Winchester, and then Wenchester and in Germany there is one for sale as a Worchester (how spicy this might be )
The title is named for Glenn Pray revocable trust, Mr Monical perhaps did no registration but there was a 2012 Oklahoma licence plate in the car.
If only the cars could speak
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Congratulations on your "new" car!!! As you have questions you can search the forums, there are a lot good information on them. If you can't find the answer just ask. Most of all enjoy the project of bringing the car back to where it should be.
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The 1936 Westchester 810 1794A is arrived at the new home in southern Germany. There is a lot of work to do (I will start some topics in the future) but it is an unbelivable solid example that transports a lot of evidence of the fine craftmanship of the 30ies!
I have to thank a lot to Jonathan Jack Richards who did a perfekt inspection before I purchased the car.
best regards
Michael
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