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21 Jan 2015 02:05 #28975 by Steve Derus
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J562/2592 was a no sale at Barrett Jackson, high bid $700k

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20 Jan 2015 22:33 #28968 by Joel
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Did I miss something, or was there a complete lack of Duesenbergs at the Arizona auctions last week?

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30 Aug 2014 21:42 #28070 by landmark
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Hello,

Duesenberg J-523 LaGrande DCP is sold today for a hammerprice of $1.15 million (estimate $1.4 to 1.6 million) @AuctionsAmerica in Auburn

www.auctionsamerica.com/events/f ... &category=


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19 Aug 2014 12:56 #27981 by Chris Summers
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Sorry, no.

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19 Aug 2014 07:41 #27980 by landmark
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Chris Summers wrote: J-173 was a no-sale, per Randy.



Thank you Chris,

do you know the highest bid on that car?


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18 Aug 2014 21:48 #27978 by Chris Summers
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J-173 was a no-sale, per Randy.

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18 Aug 2014 16:54 #27973 by landmark
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landmark wrote:

(...)


I looks like there are very few Model J's offered at the Monterey auction circus in August.

one 1929 Murphy Conv. Sedan @Gooding www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1929-d ... e-sedan-2/

(.,..)


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Hello,

does anybody know the hammer-price/highest bid of 1929 Murphy Conv. Sedan @Goodings monterey auction?


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17 Aug 2014 15:57 #27970 by landmark
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landmark wrote:

Bob Roller wrote: IS that car J391? I saw it in the ACD Museum sitting in the back and some one had tried to jack it up by placing the jack under the running board.
This one looks different to me,maybe the trunk.

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Hello Bob,

the car @Gooding auction is (as Randy posted) J-173, looks like that car is a (almost unrestored?) survivor.

The ex T. Powers car @Mecum is J-391

That car looked in the past different to today, in the time of T. Powers ownership it has a darker paint and no roof-top folded "on deck".

I saw a black and white picture of that car only with a kind of persenning that covered a "gap" (rooftop compartment?) between the rear seats and the trunk.In that days the car maybe has had a hidden roof-top folded in a compartment or there was no roof-top installed... I don't know.


EDIT: It has had a persenning, instead a folded roof-top, as you can see on the fabulous Duesenberg-Site of Jack Curtright

www.duesey2208.com/Datasheets/Mo ... rm2315.htm


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Hello,

Mecum published that this car is sold for a price of $1.425 million


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21 Jul 2014 09:57 #27843 by landmark
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Bob Roller wrote: IS that car J391? I saw it in the ACD Museum sitting in the back and some one had tried to jack it up by placing the jack under the running board.
This one looks different to me,maybe the trunk.

Bob Roller



Hello Bob,

the car @Gooding auction is (as Randy posted) J-173, looks like that car is a (almost unrestored?) survivor.

The ex T. Powers car @Mecum is J-391

That car looked in the past different to today, in the time of T. Powers ownership it has a darker paint and no roof-top folded "on deck".

I saw a black and white picture of that car only with a kind of persenning that covered a "gap" (rooftop compartment?) between the rear seats and the trunk.In that days the car maybe has had a hidden roof-top folded in a compartment or there was no roof-top installed... I don't know.


EDIT: It has had a persenning, instead a folded roof-top, as you can see on the fabulous Duesenberg-Site of Jack Curtright

www.duesey2208.com/Datasheets/Mo ... rm2315.htm


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21 Jul 2014 08:22 #27842 by Bob McCaffrey
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Does anyone have any close-up photos of that side mounted horn on J173 which is being auctioned at Pebble? Is it a Klaxon K-22, with a different mounting? Thank you. bob

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20 Jul 2014 20:53 #27841 by RandyEma
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Hello J173 MCS

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20 Jul 2014 19:50 #27840 by Bob Roller
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IS that car J391? I saw it in the ACD Museum sitting in the back and some one had tried to jack it up by placing the jack under the running board.
This one looks different to me,maybe the trunk.

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20 Jul 2014 18:48 #27837 by landmark
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landmark wrote:
(...)

and a Model J Murphy Torpedo Berline Convertible at a time owned by the movie-actor Tyrone Power

www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... 114-174286

B.t.w. I have learned that T. Power is the father of Romina Power, in europe she was (together with her former husband Albano) a very popular singer with serveral No. 1 Chart-Hits in the early 1980ies

Here is a medley




(...)


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Hello,

I looks like there are very few Model J's offered at the Monterey auction circus in August.

one 1929 Murphy Conv. Sedan @Gooding www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1929-d ... e-sedan-2/

and Mecum starts a new attempt to sell the Powers Duesey

Thats it so far...


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17 Feb 2014 12:16 #27027 by auburnandyscar
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Steve Derus wrote: Yes, that is correct. Bill Harrah restored it in a burnt orange/dark brown color scheme. I saw it in the Harrah Collection in Sparks NV back in about 1966.

Thanks Steve, I remember it being in the ACD museum around 80-81 when I was working there. (sorry, not a fan of European coachwork <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> ) Others were ga-ga about it, and it was a nice car, but not me.

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17 Feb 2014 03:09 #27025 by Steve Derus
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Thanks for checking Chris. Guess I'll have to go back through my disorganized boxes. I know I had a photo of the car at one time.

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17 Feb 2014 03:06 #27024 by Chris Summers
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Steve, I checked my files, and I have several shots of Duesenbergs you took at Harrah's, but not of that car. Sorry.

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17 Feb 2014 03:00 #27023 by Steve Derus
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Yes, that is correct. Bill Harrah restored it in a burnt orange/dark brown color scheme. I saw it in the Harrah Collection in Sparks NV back in about 1966.

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17 Feb 2014 02:29 #27021 by auburnandyscar
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was that same car not wearing brown/tan paint job in the 80's?

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Hello,

in my opinion that car has one of the "better" looking european bodies (there are not many that I like). But I love the "original" Duesenberg-Style-Grille and I think that car would even look better with a Duesey-Grille.

Here are some pictures of that car: www.duesey2208.com/Datasheets/Mo ... rm2254.htm

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does the Graber Cabriolet 2254 really have engine J-246 as stated on this website?

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10 Feb 2014 12:14 #26934 by landmark
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landmark wrote: Hello,

J-148 will be offered at the Paris Retromobile auction by artcurial.

Estimate 600-800k Euro.

www.artcurial.com/en/asp/fullcat ... 56&image=3 You will find the description in english tongue, underneath the french one.

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Hello,

artcurial marked that car as unsold. Does anybody know the highest bid on that car?


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02 Feb 2014 13:17 #26857 by Bob Roller
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Chris,
You're not old enough to have those kind of memory lapses.
I was under the impression that particular car was back in
Switzerland. I'm glad it isn't.

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02 Feb 2014 00:11 #26854 by Chris Summers
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Steve,

I'll look in the file when I'm back at work Monday and see if it's in there. I don't remember it but may find it.

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01 Feb 2014 23:38 #26853 by Steve Derus
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Bob,

The photo of the car in the "burnt orange" color scheme is flattering. When I saw it first hand in those colors at Harrah's collection I remember thinking it was rather unbecoming. Personally I think the blue scheme compliments the lines of the car better. Either way, a lovely car.

I think I remember giving a photo I took of the car to Chris Summers.

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01 Feb 2014 23:30 #26852 by Bob Roller
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This is a fantastic departure from the traditional "J" styling themes and I think it is beautiful in the orange and brown paint scheme in preference to the blue.

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01 Feb 2014 18:19 #26851 by landmark
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Steve Derus wrote: The car you refer to is 2254 I think still owned by Sam and Emily Mann in NJ.

I saw this car only one time and that was as Harrah was finishing its restoration. I was shocked to see the Duesenberg emblem on the grille, I guessed it to be a Delahaye at first glance.



Hello,

in my opinion that car has one of the "better" looking european bodies (there are not many that I like). But I love the "original" Duesenberg-Style-Grille and I think that car would even look better with a Duesey-Grille.

Here are some pictures of that car: www.duesey2208.com/Datasheets/Mo ... rm2254.htm

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01 Feb 2014 16:59 #26849 by Steve Derus
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The car you refer to is 2254 I think still owned by Sam and Emily Mann in NJ.

I saw this car only one time and that was as Harrah was finishing its restoration. I was shocked to see the Duesenberg emblem on the grille, I guessed it to be a Delahaye at first glance.

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01 Feb 2014 16:47 #26848 by Bob Roller
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I talked to Ray right after he sold it.He got several cars and cash for it but I
don't feel like I should say what the amount was.
It is NOT one of the better looking Duesenbergs and I agree with AJ on the modifications he mentioned.
There was another "J"with a Graber body that was spectacular and it isn't the one shown in Elbert's book. On this one,the only external Duesenberg features are the wheels and the instrument panel.Is it in the USA or somewhere else?

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01 Feb 2014 13:17 #26847 by alsancle
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Removing the second windshield would be a huge improvement. That or taking 8 inches out of the height.

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31 Jan 2014 21:40 #26843 by Chris Summers
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Randy can confirm but I believe the engine of this car is actually J-422, renumbered as J-148. The car was put together by Ray Wolff and Joe Kaufmann and was on Wolff's business cards and shown at Auburn for years.

I've seen similar bodies on Renault Vivasix and Packard Twelve chassis (I think the Packard's body was moved from a Renault).

I like how the French auction catalogue gets much more excited about the legitimacy of the body than the Duesenberg chassis underneath.

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31 Jan 2014 20:46 #26842 by 61xlch
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Not that expensive...?

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31 Jan 2014 14:23 #26838 by landmark
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Hello,

J-148 will be offered at the Paris Retromobile auction by artcurial.

Estimate 600-800k Euro.

www.artcurial.com/en/asp/fullcat ... 56&image=3 You will find the description in english tongue, underneath the french one.

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09 Dec 2013 16:29 #26449 by landmark
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Bob Roller wrote: Matt,
About 60 years ago,Jack Irwin and I installed a clutch in this car, J-357.It had about 20,000 miles on it then. This was a nice but slightly neglected original.The picture in Elbert's first edition shows it as a car in decline but back then,7:50x19 tires were nearly unobtainable and what few there were
had been around too long and were dry rotted.
I have driven it several times and it was a good running,good driving Duesenberg.

Bob Roller



Hello Bob,

I always appreciate your postings, they bring the history of some cars much closer to me.

I know which two (Elbert Book) photos you mentioned.

One of them is aswell published on the Curtright-website www.duesey2208.com/Datasheets/Mo ... rm2388.htm


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09 Dec 2013 16:22 #26448 by Chris Summers
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Sorry, Bob, I thought it was older. The car is still in good running shape.

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09 Dec 2013 16:21 #26447 by Bob Roller
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Chris,
The red plastic or naugahyde or dog hide was not in this car when we worked on it. I saw it with the red stuff for the first time in 1986 and
had no idea it was a seat cover. Good idea IMHO.

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09 Dec 2013 15:55 #26446 by Chris Summers
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J-391 was the first Duesenberg I ever rode in. I have a lot of sentimental attachment to that car. It still has the Union Jack on the hood that Power, who loved his British sports cars, installed.

J-357 is going to auction with its original upholstery uncovered for the first time in...many, many years. (The red plastic upholstery installed when Bob knew the car was actually seat covers for the original black leather.)

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09 Dec 2013 15:42 #26445 by Bob Roller
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I saw J391 for sale many years ago for $2500 and it was porch and deck gray and tomato soup red.I saw it again in it's present paint scheme when Mr.Falladori owned it but it was in the back of the ACD Museum.It seems as though someone in a moment of carelessness had tried to jack this heavy car up by placing a jack under the RUNNING BOARD instead of the frame.
It was a restyled running board for sure.


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09 Dec 2013 15:33 #26444 by Bob Roller
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I still stand by my statement that a car that won't or can't be driven needs another owner. Drive them,enjoy them and preserve them as well as possible. I figure that 30 years from now that whatever fuel is available won't be compatible with a relic of any kind.

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09 Dec 2013 15:28 #26443 by Bob Roller
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Matt,
About 60 years ago,Jack Irwin and I installed a clutch in this car, J-357.It had about 20,000 miles on it then. This was a nice but slightly neglected original.The picture in Elbert's first edition shows it as a car in decline but back then,7:50x19 tires were nearly unobtainable and what few there were
had been around too long and were dry rotted.
I have driven it several times and it was a good running,good driving Duesenberg.

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08 Dec 2013 21:38 #26429 by landmark
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landmark wrote:

Chris Summers wrote:
(...)

No word yet on Mecum.



Hello,

it looks like the Duesy@mecum was not sold too. www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... 813-161577


Cheers

Matt



Hello,

the car would be offered (again) @Mecum Kissimmee in January

www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... 114-174314

and a Model J Murphy Torpedo Berline Convertible at a time owned by the movie-actor Tyrone Power

www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... 114-174286

B.t.w. I have learned that T. Power is the father of Romina Power, in europe she was (together with her former husband Albano) a very popular singer with serveral No. 1 Chart-Hits in the early 1980ies

Here is a medley



Two more Duesenberg J auction offers in january

J-357 Murphy CC by RM

rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1064420

Looks like a nice car for to use it


J-129 Le Baron DCP by Gooding

www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1929-d ... phaeton-2/


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24 Nov 2013 03:16 #26328 by Chris Summers
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Steve Derus wrote: That could happen in about 30 years when all of us old guys are long gone and no one cares anymore about the cars we revere.


And this is why I describe what I do as "keeping the flame alive." Somebody's got to be around to remember.

Incidentally, no "said to be" or "supposed to be" - that is an original supercharger on J-512, bought by the immediately previous owner for the car at considerable cost.

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23 Nov 2013 22:45 #26327 by Steve Derus
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That could happen in about 30 years when all of us old guys are long gone and no one cares anymore about the cars we revere.

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23 Nov 2013 12:02 #26325 by Bob Roller
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This whole auto hobby has been nothing but a continuous auction for decades.Isn't it time to drain the swamp and start enjoying these cars before all the owners get too old and feeble.

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22 Nov 2013 20:32 #26321 by landmark
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mikespeed35 wrote: That car, J365, was a no sale at 1.5M in TX.
CORDially Mike



Mike, thank you!


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22 Nov 2013 19:41 #26320 by mikespeed35
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That car, J365, was a no sale at 1.5M in TX.
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22 Nov 2013 09:11 #26318 by landmark
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Steve Derus wrote: price seems low on J-512 to me, especially when compared to the Franay sedan at $1.65M earlier this year. A true SJ Beverly should be worth much more. Wasn't it Best of Show at ACD Festival a few years ago?



Hello,

the Franay car was offered again, last week @motostalgia auction during the formula-one race-weekend in Austin, Tx.

Unfortunately I have not found any information if the car has been sold or not and for what price (highest bid).


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22 Nov 2013 00:21 #26317 by alsancle
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Agreed, price is low. Blower is supposed to be real and the car was an original SJ.

I think it is 50/50 on the convertible/hardtop ratio over 2 million. Many of the Ferrari's are hard tops. The Wittel coupe was a hardtop. All the Tabot Largo and Delahaye that bring big money are hard tops.

It is totally about style, engine and provenance at the upper levels.

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21 Nov 2013 22:39 #26316 by Steve Derus
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price seems low on J-512 to me, especially when compared to the Franay sedan at $1.65M earlier this year. A true SJ Beverly should be worth much more. Wasn't it Best of Show at ACD Festival a few years ago?

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21 Nov 2013 22:38 #26315 by Steve Derus
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price seems low on J-512 to me, especially when compared to the Franay sedan at $1.65M earlier this year. A true SJ Beverly should be worth much more. Wasn't it Best of Show at ACD Festival a few years ago?

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21 Nov 2013 22:33 #26314 by Bob Roller
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I would prefer it over any folding top car I have ever seen.

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21 Nov 2013 22:24 #26312 by Joel
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landmark wrote: Hello,

J-512 a 1933 Duesenberg Model (S)J Murphy Beverly sold @RM New York auction for hammerprice of $ 1.6 Million

Far under its published estimate of $ 2 to 2.5 million.

www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1063792

It is said that the car is equiped with an original supercharger, not a repro.


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Probaly because it is a closed car. Don't see too many cars without a folding top go for over a million, at least none that I've noticed.

That fact that it sold that far under the estimate tells me thet the seller didn't believe the estimate.
The fact that it sold for 1.6 million tells me that it must be an outstanding car!

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