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I was proud of the Clear Vision. I ran and idled flawlessly going in, and for the long award ceremony, and it is on its way back. They had a special category for the Saoutchik and Murphy coachwork cars. The Acd Museum had a Murphy convertible sedan there, and I believe they had the Murphy bodied Cadillac. We had the Saoutchik bodied forty eight Cadillac convertible, and Brian Joseph had the Bucciali TAV2 there, which is a Saoutchik body.
It rained on and off in the morning, and then stayed cloudy and felt like air conditioning the rest of the day. The first show I ever bought a hat for, and the sun didn't come out.
For those of you who had an interest. The clear Vision idles more smoothly than it ever has, and all I have to do is adjust the valves one more time and set the distributor a little better.
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I haven't set the timing yet, nor have I filled it with water, but I ran it a few minutes. It has a little tic, but I don't know if I screwed up the valves adjustment or if it just needs to saturate itself with oil. I'll tell the folks at Meadowbrook that I left my watch in it by mistake.
It fired right up, and idled more smoothly than it did before. It was holding about 60psi oil pressure cold and at a slightly faster than normal idle.
I feel the need to toot the horn of Brian Joseph once more. I need valve adjusting discs, and his were on loan to California. He had the guy overnite them to me. I used them and overnited them to Brian. Is he a class act, or what? It has been my experience that over 95 per cent of the people involved in this hobby/industry are nice people.
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I had this exact same scenario happen before (although not on a Duesenberg) The substance did indeed look exactly like brown sugar and when I pounded the valves out of the guides they had a brownish coating that looked exactly like dried molasses.
What happened is that I ran an engine that appeared pristine, but had not been run in quite some time. We added fresh gas and the engine ran like new. Once it was shut off and cooled the valves stuck fast in the guides. Application of a good penetrating oil had little effect, nor did gently pounding the valve stems with a plastic mallet.
What we eventually determined was that old leaded fuel had evaporated and the residue settled in the bottom of the tank and solidified. When the new (for 1997) re-blended fuel was added it reacted with the detritus in the bottom of the tank and formed little globules (is that a word?) of goo that went through the entire fuel system. When the engine was hot this stuff burned through the engine okay, but as soon as things cooled it solidified and stuck the valves in the guides solid. I saw quite a rash of this when the oxygenated fuels were first introduced in the late 1990's. It seemed much more common in engines with good tight valve guides. It didn't seem to effect old worn engines as much.
Harris County (Houston) TX and a few other high pollution cities were the only ones to get this re-blended fuel at that time. It didn't seem to be a problem with regular unleaded gas. It is my theory that what ever additive they added reacted with the old fuel and caused it to liquefy. That's my story and I'm sticking to it
I thought you might enjoy the following photos. BTW as of the last time I was there, this was my favorite O'Quinn Duesenberg.
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So, I will start again.
I have the engine cleaned, the inside of the intake cleaned, the Schebler Carburetor ready to go. My parts with my new valve came in so I can scoot right along. I have the valves in and lapped, and I'm now starting on the valve adjustment. The valve adjustment was pretty bad and pretty tight when I tore the engine down, and switching valves from side to side has compounded the problem. Now the adjustment ranges from zero clearance to about .014. .020 across the board will make me happy. Some of the valve seats are cut pretty deep, but the valves are new and thick and will be plenty strong. I think I mentioned the intake and exhaust valves were on the wrong sides.
Since this car has to go to Meadowbrook this job is a time consideration compromise. I don't have time to put in new valve seats.
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Keep us posted. Submit photos of the process. There's instructions how to do this in the Picture Gallery.
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By the time my gaskets arrive all the valves will be lapped, and it will ready to go back together. I will keep you posted as to the progress.
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balinwire wrote: "Duesenberg":
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Sugar
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Naturally
Beautiful
Eventually
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Kinda spooky like the Omega Code
*sigh* Never a dull moment in this Club...
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I agree with whoever said sugar will not mix directly with gasoline, and lleast not right away. HOWEVER, if you mix the brown sugar with a little water, and mix that solution in some alchohol, like gas tank treatment, it mixes real good. I burned some of that solution in a pan and it burned down to a black plastic like coating on the pan, just like the black stuff that coated the inside of the head and manifold.
I have seen snopes wrong. They're not as bad as those Myth Busters yo-yos, but their findings are still their opinion. Like all things, no matter how unlikely, it has probably happened to someone.
Yes, Mikespeed35, you're right, but I covered that earlier. I have considered most of what people have suggested, but after getting the valves out, brushing out the valve guide holes and cleaning the valve stems, the valves are free as a breeze. If the guides were too tight, the valves would still be tight.
Someone had put in new intake valves fairly recently. Problem is they put them on the exhaust side, and the exhaust on the intake side. I'm lapping the valves in now, and they are all sealing beautifully.
One thing to remember. I don't, as a rule, use the WAG method when doing this kind of work. I post this wild sounding theory because I hd exhausted most other explanations.
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Josh Malks wrote: Should be easy to check out.
Sounds like a fun science experiment. May have to try it and post a video. I haven't found anything wrong with snopes in all the times I have used it.
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CORDially Mike
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Check it out here: www.snopes.com/autos/grace/sugar.asp
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Call it what you want, a legend, if you choose.
I don't know who owned the car. It just showed up one day. We have a Sport Berline that I like even better, but I like that chopped top look.
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See www.snopes.com/autos/grace/sugar.asp
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Thanks for posting the photos. I love that overhead shot. Yes, that is the car, and it will be at Meadowbrook.
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Are you saying somebody spiked the tank while you were at the show??
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I've ordered all the parts, including one intake valve. I have til the last of July to get it running, so my partner and I have lots of time.
The rear cylinder had had a problem for a while, cause seven of the exhaust ports had dry carbon build-up, and the rear one had a thick layer of greasy carbon build-up. I've de-carbed the piston tops and all the valves and am in the process of doing the head.
KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR IT AT MEADOWBROOK.
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I took the car to Amelia Island, and for the most part it ran great right up to where I parked it on the grass at Amelia. After the show was over it refused to start. After it got back to Houston we checked it and I determined tha one intake valve per cylinder was stuck full open. A couple of the valves were so tight that they made a creaking sound when they moved. Making them move. With the intake manifold off I was able to poke a heat gun right up to the lifter through the inlet ports. After a certain amount of time the guides would swell from the heat and the valves would close. But after the guides cool the valves stick again. I don't know for sure if it was heat expansion, or if it was melting whatever had the valve stem glued tight.
I was going to yank the head last week and do a valve job but my partner raised so much hell I'm trying to free with heat and movement. I'm soaking the valve stems over the weekend in Sea Foam, and if they're not better by monday morning, OFF WID 'ER HEAD.
I would almost swear that some one poured syrup in the gas tank. I know it has given someone hell before cause it has all new fuel lines and new pump.
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