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07 Jan 2011 21:18 #18991
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Sorry, should have said "offered," not "sold." I speak of a selling medium with which I have no experience, and it tends to trip me up.
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Justin Kerns wrote: Chris yes it is from that article but this car was not sold last year. Same owner for about 30 years now.
Sorry, should have said "offered," not "sold." I speak of a selling medium with which I have no experience, and it tends to trip me up.
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Chris yes it is from that article but this car was not sold last year. Same owner for about 30 years now.
Curt thanks for confirming. The owner originally said the top was removable (which lead to my confusion) but after some prodding now confirms it is not so it looks like this a standard factory coupe.
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Curt thanks for confirming. The owner originally said the top was removable (which lead to my confusion) but after some prodding now confirms it is not so it looks like this a standard factory coupe.
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All Auburn coupes started out life at the factory as a cabriolet. This is why there is such a great resemblance. Because the tops are wood and chicken wire with rounded metal corners the tops were covered with something similar to convertible top material with some padding under it. The top is not removable. I have all of the wood and hardware that was removed from the black coupe. I believe that black coupe is still in Houston. I imagine it will surface at a popular auction one of these days.
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Justin Kerns wrote: I know this thread is a bit dated but I have a related question. The sport coupe shown here:
www.justinkerns.com/ACD/35_851_sport_coupe.pdf
has a removable leather covered top. Was this remotely a factory option? I find no reference to factory removable coupe tops which leads me to conclude that this may be a cabriolet with later alterations to accommodate this top. The top does appear to be a factory coupe top.
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All Auburn coupes started out life at the factory as a cabriolet. This is why there is such a great resemblance. Because the tops are wood and chicken wire with rounded metal corners the tops were covered with something similar to convertible top material with some padding under it. The top is not removable. I have all of the wood and hardware that was removed from the black coupe. I believe that black coupe is still in Houston. I imagine it will surface at a popular auction one of these days.
The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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Did that come from "Cars & Parts"? I used to have the issue with an article on that car, but gave it to Kellie Janousek. I don't recall it mentioning a removable top. When that car was sold on eBay last year I don't recall mention of it, either.
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I know this thread is a bit dated but I have a related question. The sport coupe shown here:
[url:379h2h2d]http://www.justinkerns.com/ACD/35_851_sport_coupe.pdf[/url:379h2h2d]
has a removable leather covered top. Was this remotely a factory option? I find no reference to factory removable coupe tops which leads me to conclude that this may be a cabriolet with later alterations to accommodate this top. The top does appear to be a factory coupe top.
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[url:379h2h2d]http://www.justinkerns.com/ACD/35_851_sport_coupe.pdf[/url:379h2h2d]
has a removable leather covered top. Was this remotely a factory option? I find no reference to factory removable coupe tops which leads me to conclude that this may be a cabriolet with later alterations to accommodate this top. The top does appear to be a factory coupe top.
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Yup, that would be the factory roof design.
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I just noticed another sports coupe now for sale on ebay. Is this how it came from the factory?
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Auction Results:
1935 Auburn 851 Supercharged Sport Coupe $121,000
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Success! Thanks.
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"I work for the Auburn Automobile Company. I am not an automobile race car driver although I hold more world speed records than any other man in the world" -Ab Jenkins 1937
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Cort, that link didn't work for me. Might just be me.
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Someone has listed on ebay a magazine article about a 35 Auburn sports coupe, in case anyone is interested. 370315373708 (ebay number)
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K Clark wrote: Where do I find a picture of this Coupe, Just for my knowledge.
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Where do I find a picture of this Coupe, Just for my knowledge.
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Without reopening the coupe issue, the body of the Labourdette cabriolet was designed and built by a custom coachbuilder [i:1it9mpbq]during the factory production era.[/i:1it9mpbq] Every definition of a classic car, by every club, accepts such a vehicle as an authentic, judgeable, certifiable car.
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Jim,
The car was never presented for pre certification check
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The car was never presented for pre certification check
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I know that car as well as anyone but for a few people and I like it. I like the hide-away supercharger, I like the five window effect, and I agree it is a car that Auburn should have built. Like any other car it has some hickeys. There is a low spot in the roof where the panels join. It is hard to do a smooth roof.
I don't know why there is so much discussion over the car. I like the labourdette cabriolet better and it wasn't built by the auburn, but it is accepted as a real car. Any car that had an in-house body and then was taken to a custom coach builder for a re-work should be put in the same category as the Sport Coupe.
I don't know why there is so much discussion over the car. I like the labourdette cabriolet better and it wasn't built by the auburn, but it is accepted as a real car. Any car that had an in-house body and then was taken to a custom coach builder for a re-work should be put in the same category as the Sport Coupe.
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Thanks, Jim, my post has been corrected.
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Chris,
I want to clarify one point in your last post regarding the certification. I did a quick check of the records and I don't believe this car has been certified.
As for the judging controversy, there was some when the car won. But if you look at the point system at the time there was only a 25 point deduction for new coachwork out of 400 points. You only needed 320 points for a first place in the primary division, so there is still a lot of room.
This is also one of the reasons the point system was changed a few years later.
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I want to clarify one point in your last post regarding the certification. I did a quick check of the records and I don't believe this car has been certified.
As for the judging controversy, there was some when the car won. But if you look at the point system at the time there was only a 25 point deduction for new coachwork out of 400 points. You only needed 320 points for a first place in the primary division, so there is still a lot of room.
This is also one of the reasons the point system was changed a few years later.
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05 Jan 2010 19:53 #15460
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As I said before, it was Mike Schinas's car and he could do what he wanted with it, no matter what anyone else might have thought then or now.
Where was this controversy eight years ago when the thing was apparently being judged? It seems like the time to do something, if anything, was then, not now.
Pie-throwing threads can be found in the Hot Topics section. Let's start them there and keep them there...
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balinwire wrote: There is no saying it is not a beautiful exercise in design. The only thing, this car is winning trophy's and it never existed.
The original treatise of the club is preservation. What is the difference then in certifying the Tucker convertible as original in a field.
There is no concern that the top was metal from a donor hood, it's just the whole idea of spending these resources when a fine original could have been reconstructed.
As I said before, it was Mike Schinas's car and he could do what he wanted with it, no matter what anyone else might have thought then or now.
Where was this controversy eight years ago when the thing was apparently being judged? It seems like the time to do something, if anything, was then, not now.
Pie-throwing threads can be found in the Hot Topics section. Let's start them there and keep them there...
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There is no saying it is not a beautiful exercise in design. The only thing, this car is winning trophy's and it never existed.
The original treatise of the club is preservation. What is the difference then in certifying the Tucker convertible as original in a field.
There is no concern that the top was metal from a donor hood, it's just the whole idea of spending these resources when a fine original could have been reconstructed.
I guess it's no different than building an Auburn Speedster from a sedan or coupe chassis.
In a hundred years someone will see this design and need an explanation of it's heritage and being built to concourse quality.
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The original treatise of the club is preservation. What is the difference then in certifying the Tucker convertible as original in a field.
There is no concern that the top was metal from a donor hood, it's just the whole idea of spending these resources when a fine original could have been reconstructed.
I guess it's no different than building an Auburn Speedster from a sedan or coupe chassis.
In a hundred years someone will see this design and need an explanation of it's heritage and being built to concourse quality.
Please refer me to the pie throwing thread.
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1/4 x 28 round head slotted screws are correct for the water side plate.
Originally they had copper / asbestos washers under each one (*) and were painted green .
If it is a car with a startix two standoff studs are used in place of the screws.
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auburn653 wrote: I used polished stainless steel round head slotted screws that matched originals, assembled after painting. Looks quite sharp... even if it is a 6 cyl.
1/4 x 28 round head slotted screws are correct for the water side plate.
Originally they had copper / asbestos washers under each one (*) and were painted green .
If it is a car with a startix two standoff studs are used in place of the screws.
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Amen, Chris.
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I think regardless of its pedigree, if the restoration/construction quality is all its cracked up to be, it's going to find someone who wants it at the auction.
I don't mind "cars that never were" as long as they are presented as such. Now, I'm not sure I would've cut the top off a perfectly good coupe to build this...but it wasn't my car, and the result is still pretty wonderful.
As for whether or not it should have won an award...it did, in 2002, and arguing about it now isn't likely to change anything. Focus on the problems the judging system has now...in a different thread...in a different section of the Forum. Please. Let's not start the year off throwing pies...
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I don't mind "cars that never were" as long as they are presented as such. Now, I'm not sure I would've cut the top off a perfectly good coupe to build this...but it wasn't my car, and the result is still pretty wonderful.
As for whether or not it should have won an award...it did, in 2002, and arguing about it now isn't likely to change anything. Focus on the problems the judging system has now...in a different thread...in a different section of the Forum. Please. Let's not start the year off throwing pies...
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Are we done discussing the coupe and its pedigree?
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Don't sell yourself short Troy. Your kids don't care how many spark plugs it has. I don't care either since all the oil is staying in the engine now.
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I used polished stainless steel round head slotted screws that matched originals, assembled after painting. Looks quite sharp... even if it is a 6 cyl.
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The engine on that car is a side-plate (earlier) style. I just finished painting my side plate s/c engine, and I painted over the bolts that hold that plate. I would guess that's the way the factory might have done it. It would be incorrect but cool to have chrome cap nuts, same as a Packard engine.
I'll prolly do it that way next time.
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Very interesting comment that you left yesterday and then retracted. about this coupe and then the comment about a second generation car????
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Very interesting comment that you left yesterday and then retracted. about this coupe and then the comment about a second generation car????
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The workmanship of Ehresman and Caso is spectacular on this Schinas coupe
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Josh, it was 2002 1st Place Auburn All Closed 1931-36 Primary.
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2002 at Auburn, if I read the other thread correctly.
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Josh Malks wrote: When did the Gooding auction coupe win an ACD first place? And was it at Auburn?
2002 at Auburn, if I read the other thread correctly.
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When did the Gooding auction coupe win an ACD first place? And was it at Auburn?
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31 Dec 2009 17:00 #15428
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Thanks.
I like them both.
I like them both.
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31 Dec 2009 15:33 #15425
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I agree with Kenny, on both scores, the late Auburn coupes look good to me.
That more recently minted coupe is very pretty too, but I can't say I prefer it.
That more recently minted coupe is very pretty too, but I can't say I prefer it.
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I think you will find that is the truth, That is why some think it is not the best looking car. My opinion is I Like it. I'm sure that more than a few have been transformed back to Cabriolets. Although there are not many of either.
The coupes still have the folding windshield with covered up joints.
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I think you will find that is the truth, That is why some think it is not the best looking car. My opinion is I Like it. I'm sure that more than a few have been transformed back to Cabriolets. Although there are not many of either.
The coupes still have the folding windshield with covered up joints.
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31 Dec 2009 05:55 #15423
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I read somewhere that the production 1935-36 Auburn coupes were built by adding roofs to cabriolets. Any truth to that?
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29 Dec 2009 18:23 #15415
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The Camero debuted in 1967. The hood of a 67 Camero was used for the top.
This coupe was built in the late 90's.
It is the opinion of the guys that built this car that the coupe that Auburn built is butt ugly. In their (and others) opinion, this is the car that Auburn should have built. As I said this car started out life as a Auburn coupe.
This coupe was built in the late 90's.
It is the opinion of the guys that built this car that the coupe that Auburn built is butt ugly. In their (and others) opinion, this is the car that Auburn should have built. As I said this car started out life as a Auburn coupe.
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Don't you mean this car started as a Sedan and they cut it and moved the back section forward. Looking at the car you can see that it was a sedan door. Most cars would have had a rounded top of the door. where as this one has a square cut. it is a good looking car. When was a camaro built in the thirties??? That means this car was built in the late 60ties or early 70ties.
Do you really think this was built at the factory?? Because you say this is what they should have built???
I know this will bring up more questions ?
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Don't you mean this car started as a Sedan and they cut it and moved the back section forward. Looking at the car you can see that it was a sedan door. Most cars would have had a rounded top of the door. where as this one has a square cut. it is a good looking car. When was a camaro built in the thirties??? That means this car was built in the late 60ties or early 70ties.
Do you really think this was built at the factory?? Because you say this is what they should have built???
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28 Dec 2009 13:33 #15412
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Yes, this car started out life as an 8 cyl. Auburn coupe. This coupe was made to be the car that Auburn should have built. The roof is a modified sedan sectioned and moved forward. It was made to be a 'turret' top with the aid of the Camero hood.
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So...I'm trying to understand. From Curt's post, it seems this was a factory car? Or is this a modified coupe or cab?
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It did get first, I checked.
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In another post it was mentioned that the car had had a full deduction taken for originality and still won a 1st at the Reunion, because its construction was so well done.
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25 Dec 2009 16:08 #15395
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How would ACD judging treat this car? Automatic deduction?
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Yes, the exhaust is completely stock and original. The manifold is Auburn part number A90536 used in conjunction with regular s/c intakes. See page three of the s/c parts supplement. Supercharged, dual sidemounts, with a trunk. A rare bird indeed! The restoration of this car was superbly executed by John Ehresman and Herb Caso under the direction of Mike Schinas. I have the complete original top from that car; roll up rear window and all.
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